Musketeer Beta Feedback Megathread

vazkii

Have you played Musketeer? Any changes you'd make? Let me know so I have a good list ready for when I come back to work on it.

thedoctorofdoctoring

Mod Suggestion: Block Runner
Allows you to define blocks that give a speed multiplier when walked on.

imo it fits well with the communal aspect of msuketeer by giving a benefit for connecting each other's bases with paths. Whilst minecart rails would still be the best way to travel across long distances, I feel like it makes sense to have access to these easy and quick to make paths for connecting shorter distances.

By default, the mod adds a speed increase to dirt paths and stone bricks. but is seemingly tag based for adding new blocks.

Noobulus

thedoctorofdoctoring there was discussion of this for a pack i was working on a while back and the consensus we reached was that something like this is almost too prescriptive for a game as open-ended as minecraft

for example, say we went with stone bricks, paths, and concrete as the intended "road" blocks. what if a player wanted to make a road out of gravel, coarse dirt, smooth stone, or any other blocks? should they be disincentivized from building in a style that suits them just because of some arbitrary choices made by the pack dev? i suppose you could make a case for having some cost requirement uniform to all the road blocks, but overall i think it's an awkward thing to implement when considering player freedom

GameGuruGreenGryphon

Because Quark and Supplementaries are such big mods in this pack, changes to those will impact the pack a lot. I love the consistent updates (and bug fixes) from both.

To preface all of my opinions, I love automation, including Botania, Create, Quark, and many other automation playthings.

Concerning specifically Musketeer, getting magma cream is a pain, at least from my experience. In my experience, I made a double chunk slime farm so I can get slimes spawning.

Big slimes get pushed up and fall into a snow powder and magma cream pit. Only medium magma cubes and larger drop magma cream, and slimes split on dying, so only large slimes can make magma cream.
Anything smaller than big slimes hop forward to the iron golem and into the soul campfires.
All items are collected with hopper minecarts and output to copper pipes to pipe them up to the surface.

This is probably way too much magma cream and slime than you'll ever need, but I have trouble imagining an alternative. Like... luring slimes into a pit and killing them manually? It was a fun community project to mine out a chunk for this so I dunno if I'm too pained over this.

Additionally, farming glow berries for Toretoises and glowstone dust is a pain. This is an issue with Quark but it affects Musketeer. The only way you can efficiently farm glow berries is to use bone meal and harvest it manually with right-click.
Toretoises are a pain because they eat a random amount of glow berries, rather than a fixed amount, which makes automating Toretoises much more difficult, plus, Quark has (or had?) a bug where Toretoises simply do not automate.

Lastly, I don't know if or how to change this, but having only backpacks is a bit painful for large-scale builds. I'm used to shulker boxes with everything I need. Maybe I'm not fully adapted to backpacks, bundles, and rails to transport me to get things faster.
Tangentially, I love quat's Packages a lot and would love to see it in any pack I play, even if it's nerfed or configured. I love having inventory blocks that don't open a GUI, such as Crucial 2's crate.

DoltHHaven

Additionally, farming glow berries for Toretoises and glowstone dust is a pain

You can use rich soil (from FD) and foxes to autofarm them, simply have the glow berry block be the block right above the rich soil

Ceres

I'm going to echo the issue of backpacks being insufficient for mega-builds. When I'm constructing something on a truly grand scale, as this pack's one-world nature implicates, two inventories simply isn't enough. I may need thousands of several materials, and running back to a chest every time is a lot of extra time over the course of a large build.

It's also difficult to gather and transport materials such as terracotta or sand in this environment, where I would normally just fill a shulker or two I now need multiple trips to what may be a distant mesa/desert.

Noobulus

Ceres would it be possible to use a mule and a handful of supplementaries sacks to transport a large amount of cargo from one place to another? i forget if they take the same speed hit from having multiple sacks in their inventory like a player would. if they don't, that's a good 5 shulker boxes worth of mobile storage

also, if memory serves the number of sacks required for overencumbrance is configurable if we need another way to lighten inventory pressure

GameGuruGreenGryphon

To be honest, I don't like the Quark backpack in this pack.
It's nice, but it feels like a requirement here, and also simply makes you look silly if you wanna wear a full armor set. It also makes you much more vulnerable to the mobs because you no longer have armor piece that gives you the most armor.
I can't ever take it off lest I run into inventory issues, especially while spelunking or building something decent.
Edit: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/packages

GameGuruGreenGryphon

Just as a general reminder, this is the Musketeer pack. There is no Farmer's Delight and there is no Supplementaries sacks currently.

Noobulus

GameGuruGreenGryphon oh, whoops. i haven't played musketeer personally and i kinda assumed they would be a thing? figuring out how to integrate those might be a good idea then

finalrushsa2

Noobulus Haven’t played Musketeer yet so forgive me if this doesn’t apply here, but doesn’t vanilla already restrict you in this way? If you want to go fast on land, you create a blue ice pathway and then get in a boat. I feel like adding Block Runner would give more options, not less.

Snazz

I mentioned this bug in the alpha testing channel, but I'll say it here again. Quark's dispenser placing should have a blacklist on the three types of berries as players are unable to place berries directly. Instead they should be placing the berry pips.

SenatorSlunky

Surprisingly really fun of a modpack! I've played a small bit and I have a lot of fun gaining resources and creating pathways to villages a lot! Although I do think the pack could be more interesting with some extra stuff.
I personally believe it could be beneficial to add Environmental for some other alternate armor pieces, as the traveler's set and yak pants could help players with exploration and road travel. The slabfish being another storage option for players to have is also really nice.
I also feel that Buzzier Bees could help integrate more of a reason for players to use bees for building and food outside of waxing copper blocks and making honey blocks/bottles. It could help make the bee keeping aspect of the game a lot as there isn't much to play with right now.
Lastly I believe it would be nice to have some content from Supplementaries not be disabled. These being the bubble blower, soap, candle holders and the flute. I think these items could help have some more fun items for players to use. Soap and the bubble blower could help give ash more uses or maybe you could also re-add ash bricks (though I don't see that with Clayworks being in the pack). Candle holders are already obtainable through some of the sign post structures so maybe make them craftable at the very least? And the flute could help with pet utility and just a silly fun item in multiplayer.
This isn't trying to be a statement to add more abnormals mods to the pack. Personally if all of them were in this pack then it would just feel like Crucial 2 but without the Nether or End, and I don't want that. I just feel like it would be neat to have those two mods in and re-enable those items to add some spice of content and let there be some extra variation within the tool and armor selection of the pack. Musketeer is honestly really good as is too so even if you didn't want to add these, I'd still give it a fair thumbs up!

rosenator

I've had a hoot hosting this as a server with my friends! There was a bit of a hurdle for them not having coordinates, so most of the other players have installed a minimap mod on top of the pack. I understand it may be an accessibility thing; and adding something like Antique Atlas would alleviate it - but that mod isn't available for 1.19.2 at the time of writing this.

The only addition I've been rattling about in my head is that villages should have a Lodestone generate in their main central bell/well/etc. structure. This would tie further in with buffing vanilla navigation tools, as well as placing more importance on Villages alongside the villager comfort mod. I suggested this on the Discord server a while back, but it seems worth mentioning again here.

TerraKnight

this may not fit the pack, but i'm suggesting it anyways: Copperative is a fairly recent mod that expands the use of copper, made by the same team as Windswept
i'll just list off the features here

there's lots of new copper building blocks, making copper better as a "building metal"
every redstone component that uses stone or cobble now uses copper instead, this has quark and supplementaries compatibility and is configurable per component
you get patina by scraping oxidized copper, which can be placed back onto copper or used to craft prismarine
holding honeycomb will show all waxed copper blocks (idk if this works with waxed corundum)

personal suggestion: you could only enable the redstone component changes for modded stuff, as to not mess with vanilla content (obviously up to you)

quat

it's good modpack

liljagty

Good question. What about some way to make food more interesting? I find vanilla Minecraft's food mechanics to be very lacking. I don't want to suggest any solutions necessarily, but the Vanilla- nature of this pack allows unique food effects an actual practical use, unlike many other modpacks where food is not powerful enough to make any substantial difference other than distracting the player from focusing on other progress.

pyrxtic

A small group of myself and some friends loved the idea of this mod pack and played for a considerable amount of time and honestly there weren't very many issues we felt detracted from the mod pack. One of those issues was inventory. The lack of block compression made transporting large amounts of basic materials such as sand and terracotta in far off locations a hassle. Another issue was the usage of maps. Trying to navigate to a location using multiple maps or trying to navigate to closer locations without filling the area with lodestones and a chest with compasses didn't feel the greatest. I think Musketeer could benefit greatly from using Map Atlases. I believe that the addition of a physical atlas that can hold maps of immediate and distant areas would be a great addition while sticking to the core of Musketeer.

vazkii

pyrxtic I don't believe Map Atlases was available for 1.19 when I was making the pack, but seeing that Matteo and team gave it a revamp since is fantastic, I'll definitely include it.