Botania 1.20 suggestions and integrations

williewillus

Collecting new suggestions here for new ways Botania 1.20 can interact with vanilla.
I barely keep up with vanilla's additions now so it's hard to remember everything we need to do to make Botania fit in neatly with vanilla.

KiNg

The main area two areas I've personally noticed botania lacking are sculk sensing (Gourmaryllis doesn't trigger a sculk sensor while eating, despite clearly making noise, bergamute doesn't act like wool, etc.) and the Agricarnation (many of the new vanilla plants require bonemeal to grow, so the Agricarnation does nothing for them). There are obviously additional things from vanilla that botania could add versions of (tridents, shields, netherite interaction, trims, hoglin trading, etc.) but those are the ones that stand out as the most unintuitive.

adarsh

Mud cycles and sculk are barely acknowledged in Botania.

Ideas about right clicking dirt with a Rod of the Seas turning dirt into mud (and/or with a Livingwood avatar) have been floated around. The Clayconia could then be adjusted to speed up Mud -> Clay conversion instead.
Making Sculk drop xp when broken with a Bore Lens or Horn/Drum of the Wild (once datapackable) would make Rosa Arcana automation a bit simpler.

Some other things:

This one goes way back but composting various Botania items. Wormbo has a big github issue on this. Potting Botania flowers could be cute also.
Adding a "shrinking" alchemy catalyst recipe for Big -> Small Dripleaf akin to flower shrinking, as there is no way of farming the small ones otherwise.
Pasture seeds can be used on Stone to make Moss. More useful in GoG but still neat for regular gameplay. EDIT: I realise this actually breaks GoG balance, perhaps mossy cobble -> Moss alchemy recipe instead?
Copper, Amethyst and Netherite aren't really part of Botania's progression outside of the Cacophonium. I honestly think this is fine.

Wormbo

A couple of things from recent Minecraft versions that might be relevant in some way:

Any head on a note block now makes the note block emit a matching mob sound instead of a musical instrument (a bit like a limited version of the cacophonium block), though I'm not quite sure how the gaia guardian head might interact with this, given it's essentially a wobbly shadow version of the player's own head.
The vibration system is currently ignored by Botania. In vanilla this is not just used by sculk sensors and calibrated sculk sensors, but also e.g. by the allay to bind to a note block.
Armor trim is a thing now and I wonder how it could be integrated with Botania's custom armor models.
Botania motives on pottery sherds?
Cocoon of Caprice should probably include the camel as rare mob. And considering the number of mob types it can spawn already, maybe some kind of biome weighting could be appropriate.
The sniffer exists and digs up "ancient" seeds (torch flower/pitcher plant), but can only be found as egg in the suspicious sand of warm ocean ruins. GoG may need another way to give players access to sniffer eggs.
Froglights were added in the previous update as a drop from frogs eating small magma cubes. The froglight color depends on the frog color, which in turn depends on the biome temperature the frog spawned/hatched in. Maybe add an alchemy catalyst cycle to convert them between their three colors?
Ancient city loot includes Echo Shards, which are used to craft the recovery compass, which points to the holder's previous death location. Could those shards (which are currently non-renewable) be obtained in any other way (especially GoG) and/or do some other useful thing in Botania?
If living/dreamwood signs are a thing, there should be hanging versions of them as well.

cookiegd

Wormbo I think echo shards aren't a problem with the Loonium(?) as it spawns in mobs with dungeon loot in their hands

Wormbo

Wormbo Oh, here's a random idea that may or may not suck: To obtain Botania-related pottery sherds, what if there was a very small chance the Clayconia turned sand into suspicious sand with a clay-related loot table that included some of those sherds?
Probably not great for automation, since suspicious sand would just sit there and clog up the system. Maybe with another, also small chance (so it's less likely the sus sand is consumed before a player gets a chance to deal with it) the Clayconia could treat it like regular sand to convert into clay.

Also, considering the change for Drum of the Gathering to obtain suspicious stew from brown mooshrooms that have been fed a flower, how about letting the Pollidisiac feed them flowers for that purpose?

Partonetrain

The Gaia Guardian doesn't really have an ambient sound effect. What if a Gaia Gaurdian head on a Note Block made the player pain sound? This kind of plays into that unused lore of the Gaia Gaurdian being you from other Minecraft worlds.

This is less of a 1.20-specific thought but would help with future-proofing: for the Cocoon of Caprice, how feasible would it be to make configurable what mobs it can generate?

Wormbo

Partonetrain The cocoon already is configurable via data packs that modify entity tags, at least for the regular spawns. Villagers and shulkers are hard-coded..

Wormbo

cookiegd So far, dungeon loot means actual dungeons (i.e. the cobblestone boxes with a spawner and two chests), not just any structure. The PR to change that has not been merged yet.

gonzo2735

As the Smithing Table and other job blocks are becoming more frequently used in recipes it could be a good idea to make Crafty Crate versions of them. Perhaps make their UI a Crafty Crate template so the Crate effectively 'becomes' that block.

Wormbo

Mapping all of them onto the Crafty Crate might be a bit too monotonous. For example, the Rosa Arcana already has the grindstone functionality, while some relevant anvil functionality is available through a Mana Enchanter setup (applying enchanted books to unenchanted items) and the Labellia flower (renaming things).
Other such features could be represented by a range of Botania concepts as well.

LeoBeliik

would be cool if magnet attract xp too

adarsh

The Rosa Arcana change to disenchant items and the existence of the grindstone has kinda made the Spellbinding cloth redundant (minus removing curses but lol).

An idea I had was to make it a consumable item that can move an enchant from an item onto itself, being used in an anvil to apply said enchant to another item (blacklisting books to prevent mana enchanter cheese).

Example: Power 4 bow + cloth -> bow + power 4 cloth, combine cloth in anvil with another power 4 bow to make power 5 bow (cloth is consumed in the process).

Zach

Not exactly new in 1.20 but still something that postdates botania - it doesn't have any shields. I could easily see a manasteel shield that has a blue instead of silver texture, can be repaired with mana, and has some other minor positive effect like a small resistance to magic damage when blocking.

MysticSloth

As every wood type has received their own variant of boats, doors, trapdoors, etc., I would like to see the livingwood and dreamwood get their own variants too (and possibly chest, bookshelf, and ladder variants as well [Quark enabled?]).
Quartz brick variants.
Compost mystical flowers. Add potted versions as well.
I was wondering how relevant Vine Balls are since vines no longer need to a supporting block (except the initial) to climb on, although they still have the benefit of being thrown.
A way to speed up the oxidation of copper and maybe remove layer(s) of oxidation.

adarsh

Dumping some ideas from Discord onto here, credits where due:

Manaweave shoes give powder snow protection like leather (lolkazu) - add to freeze_immune_wearables tag
Smithing table for elementium tipping (zach) and upgrading rings to greater variants
Some kind of mana-powered beacon amplifier (haste 2 -> 3 e.g. for deepslate mining, and/or beacon range extension), possibly a multiblock akin to Thaumic Horizons planar vortex
Make relics immune to all forms of damage minus void.
Make the tiny potato a valid firework shape effect.
Sending sherds through elven portal returns Botania sherds of pre-Shattering Alfheim, e.g. representations of yggdrasil, mjolnir and relics.
Mana spreaders made from copper instead of gold (makes pre-runic altar Botania a bit more earlygame)
Make the livingwood avatar able to use Rod of the Seas and smelty rod.
Mobs killed by livingwood avatar with shooty rod count as player kills (i.e. they have player drops - lucidobservor, #3716), would make wither bit easier to automate
Buff gourm food cap to 14 points (slight buff when FD installed), also let Kek eat FD pies and cheesecake
Make overgrowth seeds usable on floating flowers.
Remove Chiselled stone brick and maybe coarse dirt recipes (+ clay but apparently it's QoL despite bore lens being able to break clay into 4 clay balls anyways)
Rework/remove cobble rod? Seems very underwhelming when black hole talisman exists for storage and bore lens for cobblegen
Rework/remove Orechid ignem (Botania kinda ignores the existence of netherite, gold and quartz available from other sources, loonium changes will make netherite scraps renewable anyway)

Wormbo

The clay deconstruction alchemy recipe is technically a tiny bit more expensive than a bore lens (about 4%), but can be implemented to be both much faster and more compact. That kind of benefit might be worth a slightly higher price.

For the Orechid (Ignem) I made some comparisons between natural generation and the Orechid conversions a while back. My takeaways from that comparison are:

Stone conversions were originally based on actual overworld ore counts in a reasonably large area, but copper was not factored in at the time the current values were determined. It makes sense to update the weights with measured values to reflect the 1.18+ ore generation. -> stone ore distribution chart
Deepslate ore generation was originally calculated based on Rafflowsia automation needs. Surprisingly, the weights for the two most relevant ores (25% iron and 10% diamond) are actually very close to the natural ore distribution (24.4% and 12.3% in 1.19.x). -> deepslate ore distribution chart
Nether ore weights seem off by a bit, but it's tricky. Technically gold and ancient debris both have much lower weights than natural ore distribution would suggest, because quartz seems over-represented. However, even the current ancient debris rate (1 in 157, instead of the natural 1 in 111) is considered too high. I guess the Orechid Ignem is a really efficient way to skip over all the netherrack that's typically in the way. -> nether ore distribution chart

Wormbo

Some salvaged lens-related ideas, mostly from way back when people dropped them into the issue tracker and had them closed with a pointer to the Botania subreddit:

Composite Entropic + Kindle lens. This basically makes the explosion spread fire, similar to a bed in the nether.
Composite Weight + Entropic lens. Turns blocks within the explosion area into falling block entities that get flung outward by the explosion. (I'm actually not sure how feasible or balanced this would be.)
Composite Bore + Kindle lens. This will burn any items dropped by the mined blocks.
Influence lens can push minecarts. Should probably be limited to (non-powered) rails, but could maybe also include boats on water. (IIRC there already were considerations to make the lens affect all kinds of projectiles. Not sure how much minecart pushing would be desirable, though.)
Applying potion effects to mana blaster shots somehow. Usually this would be done with the brewery in some form, but similar to another suggestion in this direction (was it brew-tipped arrows or something like that?) there is the issue that the brewery exclusively makes beneficial effects.
Composite Entropic + Warp lens, but including the item teleportation effect of the Bore + Warp composite lens. (I've seen that suggestion elsewhere, but doesn't hurt repeating, even though I think it's a bit over-powered.)

Note that the suggested lens combinations above are currently not even permitted.

Wormbo

Wormbo More lens combination suggestions:

The Flare lens completely ignores whatever other lens it was combined with, and is completely ignored by any other lens it was combined with. Making those work would require diving into particle implementation logic and emulate some of the mana burst entity movement aspects introduced by the various lens options.
Composite Damage + Kindle lens is currently not allowed, but could imitate a hit with a flame arrow or fire aspect sword by setting the damaged entity on fire. It would no longer place fires where it impacted a block, or break nether portals.

Partonetrain

1.20.3 is going to introduce the projectilesCanBreakBlocks gamerule. Would it make sense to make the Bore Lens etc. respect this?

mathwiz617

From another thread - some way to automatically fish. Perhaps a drum that, when triggered, fills water buckets in water with fish? Or, a lotus-inspired flower that produces random fishing loot for mana (heh, it could be called a Lootus).