Suggestion: inverted chacram (tipped-arrow equivalent)

lillyOfWorlds

There was some discussion a while ago about how Botania doesn’t have an equivalent to tipped arrows. I think that the thorn chacram would be a good place to implement this. This would be a new item, crafted with a thorn chacram and fermented spider eyes. You’d imbue it with a potion effect on the botanical brewery using the same recipes as normal, but it would inflict the opposite status effect on enemies.
Thoughts? Opinions?

Wormbo

So Speed becomes Slowness, Strength becomes Weakness, Instant Health becomes Instant Damage (although there are good reasons to have Instant Health on a projectile, mainly because undead mobs are healed by Instant Damage and vice versa), I guess Regeneration could become Poison. That still leaves a bunch of potions where the inverse doesn't exist (fire res, water breathing) or is also beneficial as well (e.g. invis is the "inverse" of night vision).
Good start, though.

lillyOfWorlds

Wormbo
For inverted invis/night vision, you could do blindness and darkness (respectively), and absorption could give wither. Resistance, fire res, and water breathing would all need new status effects though.

Inverse of resistance could be instant health but only for undead mobs? Or something to flip their status effects? Ex: if they have poison and get hit, it would be replaced for regen of the equivalent duration). For inverting fire res and water breathing, maybe there's a way to make the target vulnerable to those elements? Like, fire does 2x damage per tick and you can't swim upwards in water. The first one would pair nicely with the flare chacram.

I'm definitely not a game designer though, so I'm just kind of throwing ideas around. I'll keep thinking about this though.

williewillus

I don't really understand the point of the inversion?

We could just provide a way of directly putting potion effects on it (maybe similar to how tipped arrows are made). Having inversion is both confusing and hard to support for modded effects.

Wormbo

I think the reasoning is that Botania doesn't have detrimental effects for use on weapons.

williewillus

Yeah, but we can either add some or give a way to use the vanilla negative effects

adarsh

Just a heads up that the Thorn Chakram already has a chance to apply the Poison effect. Botania's already got a fair few options for PvP (Key, Mana Blaster, some of the rods, brews etc.) so idk, personally I think it's a bit unnecessary.

I like your Flare Chakram idea of doing 2x fire damage (like a soulfire effect). Something I think would fit well in the BotaniaCombat addon is a crossbow of sorts, maybe detrimental effects would work better on bolts?